Analyst
03-13-2008, 04:07 AM
I don't know about you, but I am totally fed up with the manipulated fuel prices and outrageous oil-company mega-profits (not to mention the previous administration who put the bureaucratic changes in motion to create high fuel prices that would increase tax revenue and force people to change their vehicles/lifestyles/driving habits) .
SO, with diesel prices around $4/gal and predicted to go over $5/gal, and my total annual consumer fuel costs already over $3,000/yr with less than 20,000 miles of driving, I'm hunting for real solutions. I believe Gov. Brian S. who says that two different European companies have assured him that diesel-from-coal technology is very viable at about $1.25/gal to produce in the U.S., but no-one can make that in their garage! However...
I've found two fuel technology areas that might save us thousands of dollars per year, OR...
they might just be a messy waste of time, effort, and money. Investigating them this week, for many hours, they both seem to be genuinely legitimate, technically logical, and based on sound physics.
First -
Self-made biodiesel that uses free vegetable oil that you run through a filter, add chemicals, and then put straight into your tank like you would with a B-2, B-5, or B-10 at a truck-stop (no vehicle conversion kit required). Advantages: $60 to $200 start-up costs, pretty simple, with fuel price totaling about 50-60 CENTS per gallon, absolutely no vehicle installations or alterations required, no special permits for dangerous chemicals, and freely blend or switch back and forth with standard diesel.
http://dieselsecret.com/noconversion.html
Second -
Water-bottle generation system that makes HHO gas out of water, and gets sucked into the turbo air-intake to boost combustion efficiency and add "free" power (= more mpg) that comes from a little water. Takes some reading, assembling of purchased components, and maybe 1-3 hours to install in the vehicle, (depending on selected options), at a total cost of about $160 - $300 USD, to net a reported 15-75% improvement in fuel economy and big reductions in pollution emissions. [Also works for gas engines, but installation & some elements are different.]
Links:
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=amdproduct
http://www.water4gas.com/trucks.htm
http://www.tranztecuk.com/Products.html
For the record, let me clearly say that I have no involvement or experience in these whatsoever, and in fact never saw or read anything about either of them prior to last week.
Now, both of these appear to be grass-roots use/refinement of technologies that have been around for MANY years, and have 40,000 + users. About 15 years ago I personally talked to a jack-of-all-trades engineer/inventor type acquaintance who assured me that water could be easily and rapidly broken into gaseous Hydrogen and Oxygen forms and used directly to run a vehicle, and that he had personally done it... but I won't get into further details except to say I was fairly convinced that it could be done.
I am tempted to jump into both of them with both feet, but I think the advice I got was wise: get some counsel/suggestions/experience first. Mechanical Engineer I am, but combustion engineer I'm not, and chemist I'm definitely not. So, I wanted to throw these two technologies on the table here, and see especially if anyone has either of two things to offer:
Do you have experience using or installing, or personally know someone with experience using or installing these?
Do you have or know any research data that supports, or refutes, or reveals long-term durability concerns?
Just for grins, I've set up the poll (above) on this. If it was as claimed, how many would jump on the make-your-own "easy diesel"? How many would install some of the HHO air-intake gas? How many wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole until several of your personal neighbors, mechanics or automotive engineering friends have been successfully using them in their personal/customer vehicles for quite a while?
Special Note about the POLL:
I've set up the Poll so that you can select multiple answers. To keep results straight, please just pick one answer for the "freedom diesel" technology, and one answer for the "water-into-fuel" technology.
SO, with diesel prices around $4/gal and predicted to go over $5/gal, and my total annual consumer fuel costs already over $3,000/yr with less than 20,000 miles of driving, I'm hunting for real solutions. I believe Gov. Brian S. who says that two different European companies have assured him that diesel-from-coal technology is very viable at about $1.25/gal to produce in the U.S., but no-one can make that in their garage! However...
I've found two fuel technology areas that might save us thousands of dollars per year, OR...
they might just be a messy waste of time, effort, and money. Investigating them this week, for many hours, they both seem to be genuinely legitimate, technically logical, and based on sound physics.
First -
Self-made biodiesel that uses free vegetable oil that you run through a filter, add chemicals, and then put straight into your tank like you would with a B-2, B-5, or B-10 at a truck-stop (no vehicle conversion kit required). Advantages: $60 to $200 start-up costs, pretty simple, with fuel price totaling about 50-60 CENTS per gallon, absolutely no vehicle installations or alterations required, no special permits for dangerous chemicals, and freely blend or switch back and forth with standard diesel.
http://dieselsecret.com/noconversion.html
Second -
Water-bottle generation system that makes HHO gas out of water, and gets sucked into the turbo air-intake to boost combustion efficiency and add "free" power (= more mpg) that comes from a little water. Takes some reading, assembling of purchased components, and maybe 1-3 hours to install in the vehicle, (depending on selected options), at a total cost of about $160 - $300 USD, to net a reported 15-75% improvement in fuel economy and big reductions in pollution emissions. [Also works for gas engines, but installation & some elements are different.]
Links:
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=amdproduct
http://www.water4gas.com/trucks.htm
http://www.tranztecuk.com/Products.html
For the record, let me clearly say that I have no involvement or experience in these whatsoever, and in fact never saw or read anything about either of them prior to last week.
Now, both of these appear to be grass-roots use/refinement of technologies that have been around for MANY years, and have 40,000 + users. About 15 years ago I personally talked to a jack-of-all-trades engineer/inventor type acquaintance who assured me that water could be easily and rapidly broken into gaseous Hydrogen and Oxygen forms and used directly to run a vehicle, and that he had personally done it... but I won't get into further details except to say I was fairly convinced that it could be done.
I am tempted to jump into both of them with both feet, but I think the advice I got was wise: get some counsel/suggestions/experience first. Mechanical Engineer I am, but combustion engineer I'm not, and chemist I'm definitely not. So, I wanted to throw these two technologies on the table here, and see especially if anyone has either of two things to offer:
Do you have experience using or installing, or personally know someone with experience using or installing these?
Do you have or know any research data that supports, or refutes, or reveals long-term durability concerns?
Just for grins, I've set up the poll (above) on this. If it was as claimed, how many would jump on the make-your-own "easy diesel"? How many would install some of the HHO air-intake gas? How many wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole until several of your personal neighbors, mechanics or automotive engineering friends have been successfully using them in their personal/customer vehicles for quite a while?
Special Note about the POLL:
I've set up the Poll so that you can select multiple answers. To keep results straight, please just pick one answer for the "freedom diesel" technology, and one answer for the "water-into-fuel" technology.